Les payas arabes peuvent-ils vaincre militairement israël ??

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Question : les états arabes peuvent t'ils vaincre l'état d'israël en cas de nouvelle confrontation armée ?

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BAE poised to seal Saudi Typhoon deal
By Sylvia Pfeifer, Defence Industries Correspondent

Published: February 19 2009 09:41 | Last updated: February 19 2009 20:40

BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence contractor, on Thursday said it expected to agree a multi-billion pound deal to provide support and weapons systems for the 72 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to be bought by Saudi Arabia this year.

Ian King, chief executive, said the company was “in active discussions on the next phase” of a contract, signed between the UK government and the Gulf kingdom in 2007.

The most lucrative contract so far, the al-Yamamah deal, under which Britain supplied Tornado and Hawk aircraft in the 1980s, has been dogged by allegations of corruption and bribery.

The 2007 contract – Project Salam – is worth an initial £4.3bn.

The first deliveries of the jets are due to begin this year and Mr King said he expected to be “on contract” in 2009 to provide support and spares packages.

If agreed, a deal would provide a significant boost BAE’s sales this year.

Analysts have estimated that other orders for armaments and weapons systems on the jets could be worth £5bn, with a further £10bn being spent on maintenance, training and support for the aircraft over their lifetime.

Mr King said he saw “no evidence at this time” of a slowdown in potential orders from the Middle East on the back of the recent drop in the oil price.

Overall, he said the company expected another year “of good growth” in 2009.

BAE reported a 31 per cent surge in underlying pre-tax profits to £1.9bn in 2008 on sales 18 per cent higher at £18.5bn.

It ended the year with net cash of £39m and by the close of play yesterday, its shares were up 3.56 per cent at 400p.

Its forward order book rose 20 per cent to £46.5bn.

BAE said it had benefited from the weakness of the pound against the US dollar – which accounted for £5.9bn of the increase in the order book – as well as awards of new contracts, including a 15-year partnering agreement with the Ministry of Defence to supply munitions.

The company also said it would pump an additional £200m into plugging the deficit in its UK pension schemes this year and $250m into its US pension schemes.

It is increasing its full-year dividend to 14.5p from 12.8p.
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009

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tres bonne question merci de l'avoir posee . ils n'ont aucune chance

[rachid75]

la donne a changé, en 1967 il a fallut six jours à Israel pour balayer les armées des trois pays Arabes, (Jordanie , Egypte, Syrie)et lors du dernier affrontement avec le Hizb allah, l'armée Israelienne n'avait même pas franchi quelques kilomètres et après un mois de bombardement intensif, donc les Arabes peuvent vaincre Israel,le seul avantage dont bénéficier Israel c'est la maitrise du ciel, mais pour combien de temps , les Iraniens viennent de mettre au point un canon intelligent, et un missile sol air 100% de fabrication locale, ces derniers sont déjà entre les mains des Syriens et des combattants du Hizb allah.

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pourquoi ça bendez ?

en tout cas faut se mefier car les indonesiens ont des problemes avec leurs avions sukhoi flambant-neufs (comme quoi l'algerie se trouve conforter dans ses declarations quant à la qualité des avions neufs russes )...

Markus Junianto Sihaloho

New Sukhoi Jets ‘Attacked’ by Malfunctions

Two of the Air Force’s three new Russian-made Sukhoi jet fighters were struck with what are believed to be minor mechanical problems during a training session over the Makassar Strait on Friday.

Air Force spokesman Air Commodore Chaeruddin Ray said two SU-30MK2 fighters, each flown by one Indonesian and one Russian pilot, were undergoing interception exercises when an alarm signalled in both aircraft that they were under attack from a foreign jet fighter.

The pilots reported the warnings to the Makassar Airbase, which ordered both fighters to return to base where they landed without incident, Chaeruddin said.

He rejected suggestions that there was another aircraft trying to engage the two Sukhois, saying radar evidence around Makassar had not detected any other fighter aircraft above Sulawesi Island.

“After the report [from the Sukhoi pilots], a surveillance aircraft was also deployed to search, but no other aircraft was found.”

Chaeruddin said data collected by the Air Force led to the conclusion that the two Sukhois’ “lock system,” which detects enemy weapons targeting, had malfunctioned.

“Technicians from Russia are already [at Makassar Airbase] to check and repair the aircraft,” he said.

The Air Force previously dealt with an unnerving incident in 2003 when two of its F-16 jet fighters made contact with five F-18 Hornet jet fighters belonging to the US Navy, which had earlier been found maneuvering above Bawean Island, Central Java Province, for more than two hours.

Both sides’ jet fighters were close to firing at each other as the F-18 fighters went into attack mode and had their missiles locked on Indonesia’s planes.

It ended with a communication of peace between the pilots after one of the F-16 fighters was able to indicate they were not a threat.

JakartaGlobe (Saturday 21 February 2009)

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je pense qu'israël n'est pas aussi invincible qu'elle le prétend, comme l'a dit rachid75, le hezbollah a démontré sa capacité à mettre en échec la toute puissance d'israël. ce pays est fort dans les combat classiques, deux arnées face à face, mais en cas de guerre assymetrique, on a vu sa débandade !

Je vais essayer de vous faire un petit topo sur les forces en présence...

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pourquoi ?parsqu"ils ont la maitrise du ciel de plus leur armee est une vraie armee populaire qui se bat comme aucune armee peut le faire en cas de conflit direct

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Iran says it has built an unmanned spy plane
Drone's range is reportedly more than 600 miles — enough to reach Israel

updated 10:56 a.m. ET Feb. 18, 2009


TEHRAN, Iran - Iran has built an unmanned surveillance aircraft with a range of more than 600 miles — enough to reach Israel — a top defense official said in remarks published Wednesday.

Deputy Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said he could not provide more details, only saying the development of the unmanned aircraft, or drone, was an "important achievement." His remarks were published Wednesday in the government-owned newspaper, Iran, and by the semiofficial Fars news agency.

Iran announced two years ago it had built an unmanned aircraft, but Vahidi's comments were the first by a top official revealing its range. His claims could not be independently confirmed.

Wednesday's reports follow this week's announcement that Iran has restructured its military in an effort to improve its air defense capabilities.

The move was widely seen as part of a broader military build up by Tehran, which is concerned about the U.S. military's presence in neighboring Iraq and Afghanistan and Israeli threats to target its nuclear facilities.

Iran has taken Israeli threats to strike its nuclear sites seriously and has said Israel would be subject to Iran's "devastating retaliation" if it attacks.

The first word of the drone came in 2007, when the then-commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi, said the unmanned device was designed to take photos of and gather information about enemy positions.

Attacking drones?
Iran also is seeking to develop a drone with attack capabilities.

In December, air force commander Gen. Hasan Shah Safi said Iranian experts had designed an unmanned aircraft with radar-evading devices that would be able to attack an enemy target and avoid detection. He said the military was working on building a prototype of the craft. He did not elaborate on what sort of weaponry the craft would be fitted with.

Since 2005, Tehran has accused the United States of flying surveillance drones over Iran's airspace to spy on its nuclear and military facilities.

Iran says it is fighting an intelligence battle with the United States and Israel, which accuse Tehran of seeking to build nuclear weapons. Iran has denied the charges, saying its nuclear program is solely geared toward generating electricity.

Iran launched an arms development program during its ruinous 1980-88 war with neighboring Iraq to compensate for a U.S. arms embargo. Since 1992, Iran says it has produced its own jet fighters, torpedoes, radar-avoiding missiles, tanks and armored carriers.

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Mais la grande faiblesse d'Israel réside dans sa géographie ! Lorsque les villes sont concentrées sur un petit térritoire, il est toujours plus aisé de bombarder et de faire mal, très mal !
Un tir de missiles concentré pourrait en quelques heures paralyser Israel.

[oceon]

ma réponse est ouii , un grand OUI , mais si l'ennemi c'est israel , dans tou les guerres contre les juifs , on a eu les amerloks dans la tronche ou la france qui a donné son compter dans les années 60 et 70..un etat juif au proche orient , c'est voulu par l'occident et sans ce soutien ,israel n'existe pas ...

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Lorsque les villes sont concentrées sur un petit térritoire, il est toujours plus aisé de bombarder

oui c'est vrai en cas de bombardement, mais les missiles dont disposent les pays arabes sont pas très precis, il faut donc de savants calcules pour frapper là où on veut réellement. seconde chose, lors d'une invasion terrestre, cette concentration de villes constitut un vrai probleme, elles sont autant de poches de resistance et donc de freins, il sera fastidieux de conquerir israel ! d'ailleurs l'état major israelien fait pression pour que les colonies restent en cisjordanie, car elles sont en fait des sortes de places-fortes de l'état israelien en cas d'invasion de la cisjordanie...

[dolph]

d'acc avec OCEON

il y'a tjrs les occidentaux qui soutiennent israel et surtt les ricains , en 73 les egyptiens avait trouvé des chars américains avec slmt qlq km au compteurs ce qui veut dire qu'un pont aérien US a transporté ces chars jusqu' au Sinai , sans lintervention des US les egptiens les bouffent cru et mm les syriens
rien que mnt les US vont accorder une aide militaire a israel de 30 milliard de dollars pour garder la supériorité d'israel dans la région
néanmoins israel aussi a une industrie militaire trés developpé contrairement aux pays arabes.

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Forces Armées Israéliennes

Population : 7 100 000 Hab. (dont 1 420 000 arabes, druzes…)
PIB : 140 billions.
Pays alliés : USA, Canada, Inde, Roumanie, Turquie, Otan
Personnel : 176 000h. 380 000 réservistes (total : + de 620 000h) 16 Divisions et 78 Brigades. 3400 chars de combat. 7000 blindés.

Terre : 133 000 Active, 380 000 Reserves (513 000h)
- 220 merkava 4
- 750 merkava 3
- 520 merkava 1 et 2
- 1350 M60
- 500 centurions

- 5500 M113

- Plus de 800 canons (howitzers) : 600 M109/ 70M107/ 36 M110

Aviation (une des meilleures du monde) : 34 000 active, 55 000 reserves (89 000h)

 80 F-16I Sufa
 244 F-16 A.B.C.D
 97 F-15
 50 F-4E
 170 A-4
 140 Kfir
 Total avions de combat : 875 dont 520 en service, le reste en stock…

• Nouvelles commandes : 25 F-35 et 21 F-16I Sufa
• 71 avions de transport ( 20 Hercules, 13 Boeing 707, en commande : 12 C130J et 10 C27J)
• 110 avions d’entrainement
• Hélicoptères attaque : 45 Apaches, 45 Cobra, 2 MD500 Defender.
• Hélicoptères transport : 49 S70A Blackhawk, 38 CH-53, 55 bell 212 (en vente)
• AWACS : 4 Gulfstream G550
• ELINT et EW : 19 (Gulfstream G500/ King Air A200CT/King Air B200T
• Surveillance maritime : 7 (4 Heron-2, 3 Seascan)
• Drones : Aerostar, Delilah/ Light Defender, Harpy anti-radiation drone , Hermes 450S, Hermes
1500 High Altitude* , Heron-2 , Heron TP, Hunter, Searcher I/II, Ranger, Pioneer
• Drones attaque : I-view, Mini-V, Skylark, Skylite
• Tanker Fuel : 7 Boeing 707, 3 KC-130

Missiles et bombes avions de combat :
Air-to-air missiles
AIM-9L/M Sidewinder, AIM-7 Sparrow, Python 3, Python 4, Derby, AMRAAM AIM-
120B
Air-to-ground missiles
AGM-78D Standard ARM, AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-62A Walleye, AGM-45A/B
Shrike, AGM-114 Hellfire, AGM-142 Popeye*, Spike (NT-S, NT-G, NT-D) ATGM*
Bombs
CBU (including Tal-1, ATA-1000, ATA-500), Delilah ALCM , runway-penetration
bombs, Griffin, Guillotine, JDAMs guided bombs (228), Opher, Pyramid, Spice EW and CEW

Chaff and flare dispensers for combat aircraft, Delilah ALCM , Samson AN/ADM-141
TALD, EL/L-8202 ECM pod, EL/L-8230 ECM system, EL/L-8231 ECM system,
EL/L-8240 ECM system, EL/M-2160 warning system, LWS-20 system, SRS-25
airborne receiver, SPS-20 self protection system, SPS-65 self protection system, SPS-
200 airborne self protection system, SPS-1000 EW system, SPS-2000 self protection
system, Sky-Jam 200 jammer , AN/ALQ 131 electronic countermeasure systems (20);
EL/M-2022 MP radar
Future procurement
AIM-9M AAM, Star-1 AGM/cruise missile (under development), AMRAAM AIM-
120B (57) , JDAMs guided bombs, AGM-114L3 Hellfire II (480)


900 canons anti-aérien
Missiles de défense aérienne : 17 batteries Hawk, 6 batteries Patriot, 2 batterie Arrow (16 lanceurs), 50 Chaparral, 20 lanceurs stingers, 500 stingers portables…

Marine : 9500 active, 10 000 reserve (19 500h)
5 Sous-marins, 3 corvettes Eilat, 2 Aliya, 8 Hetz en commande : 3 à 5 corvettes.
70 navires garde-côtes et logistique.


2 F-16I Sufa et 1 F-15 Baaz



Corvette de type Eilat



à gauche Chars Merkava IV

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Le hic, c'est que les arabes, en dépit de leur organisation commune (Ligue Arabe), n'adoptent nullement la même position envers Israël: reconnaissance officielle de la part de certains (Jordanie, Egypte), collaboration officieuse pour d'autres (le Maroc..) enfin position jusqu'au-boutiste pour certains (Algérie, Libye)...

Si ils sont incapables d'adopter une ligne politique commune, comment veux-tu qu'ils se coalisent pour combattre Israël ?
D'autant plus qu'Israël arrange les affaires de certains d'entre-eux (ceux qui ont peur de l'ascendance iranienne)...

[Geass]

On écraserait Israel sans aucun problème, si et seulement si on accepte que quelques unes de nos villes soient totalement rasées et si on accepte l'idée qu'on devra tuer des centaines de milliers de personnes.

Mais l'idéal serait de contraindre Israel à négocier un retour aux frontières de 67 sans conditions. Et pour cela il faudrait frapper fort puis discuter.