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  • Relations US-Algérie vues par l'Ambassadeur américain

    Il s'agit d'un extrait de papier, rédigé par l'ambassadeur américain à Alger, R. Ford, à l'intention de S. WELCH qui devait venir en visite la semaine suivante (Février 2008) :

    REGIONAL POLICIES: FAR APART FROM US
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    7. (C) Bouteflika is very much his own foreign minister and his thinking about regional politics has evolved little from the 1970s. He loyally attends all the NAM and African Union summits, and he places huge weight on the United Nations, liberation ideology and negotiation over use of force (especially Western armed forces). The Algerians are surprisingly ill informed when events are moving in the region ; they also lack a good grounding in underlying trends in areas like the Middle-East. Arab satellite TV seems to be a big source of their information. Hence, you will find that the Algerians take nettlesome positions on the regional questions of import to us :

    -- Peace Process : They line up behind the Arab League consensus, arguing in private that it is hopeless to try to exclude Syria and Hamas from the efforts to reach a settlement. They appreciate our pledge to work for a viable Palestinian state and to achieve short-term, concrete improvements for the Palestinians. So far, we have seen little enthusiasm in response to our demarches for more aid to the Palestinian Authority, but they likely would respond to a strong request from the Arab League. The Algerian public, particularly the Islamists, is now less preoccupied with violence in Algeria and vehemently anti-Israeli. The GoA, therefore, is unlikely to make any unilateral gestures to Israel.

    -- Lebanon : The Algerians back Arab League efforts and hope for consensus to develop among the Lebanese factions. Their senior MFA official working Middle-East issues has repeatedly cautioned us against trying to isolate Syria on Lebanese issues. Underlining how our efforts complement Arab League efforts will make the most headway with the Algerians.

    -- Iraq : President Bouteflika told Senator Nelson last summer that the U.S. should not withdraw too quickly from Iraq lest security deteriorate further. The MFA and Algerian military intelligence have made the same point to us more recently, although publicly the GoA says little. There is an Iraqi embassy in Algiers, but relations with the Iraqi Government are cool. The Algerians have no intention of reopening an embassy in Baghdad. In part, they are still angry about the murder of two of their diplomats in Baghdad in 2005. Despite their repeated inquiries, they have received no information on who was responsible. In addition, public and government distrust of the Iraqi Shia makes the GoA unwilling to take any risks on Iraq policy. Their military intelligence likely would work discretely with Iraqi intelligence to disrupt al-Qaida activities, but we doubt Algerian officers would actually go to Iraq.

    -- Iran : Algerian officials remember Iranian support for Algerian Islamists in the early 1990s and are suspicious of Iranans regional intent. President Bouteflika in private has told the Iranian President to cooperate with the UN on the nuclear issue. The GoA is also adamant that we should continue on the diplomatic track and recognize even small Iranian steps when we see them; they were reluctant to endorse more pressure on Iran during Ambassador Schulte's visit here in late November. The Algerian leadership has a bit of sympathy for Hizballah and Hamas as liberation fighters, but their heads tell them to be wary. Thus, you will hear understanding from them when we warn them of the dangers of these terror groups, but the Algerians will immediately insist that Israel and the U.S. have to resolve the Palestinian and Lebanese problems. Underlining how Hizballah and Hamas threaten the very progress on the Lebanese and Palestinian issues that the GoA wants will be the most effective arguments.

    -- Western Sahara : This is the issue that the GoA cares the most about and you will likely receive an earful. The GoA still lingers over the hope that the Baker Plan will come back despite our telling them repeatedly that it is finished. The top Algerian leadership stress that they view a Saharan referendum on independence as a matter of national liberation as a matter of principle. They don't want to destabilize Morocco, and they doubt the Western-Sahara is so important to the throne's hold on power. They do not want to start armed hostilities, although we are less sure they would - or could - stop every possible Polisario provocation. The Algerians likely will try to wait for the end of this American administration hoping that the next one will be less supportive of the Moroccan autonomy proposal. Explaining the exhaustion of broad American patience with the long-standing dispute will be the best way of shaking loose the Algerian fixation on Baker.
    "L'armée ne doit être que le bras de la nation, jamais sa tête" [Pio Baroja, L'apprenti conspirateur, 1913]

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    Ce qui m´a attirée l´attention dans cette meme note c´est le point 2. (C) (non mentionné dans ton post post).

    Peut etre c´est du HS, si tu voulais parler exclusiement des relation US-Algerie, mais ca merite d´etre lu pour connaitre les appreciations generales des diplomate americain sur l´algerie comme pays:

    AN UNHAPPY COUNTRY
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    2. (C) There is much discussion among political circles about the constitution, the third term and the succession issue, but precious little discussion about how to address long-standing political alienation and social discontent throughout the country. Housing is woefully short, while unemployment and underemployment are endemic (at least 50 percent among young people). In a relatively new phenomenon, many young people are trying to flee the country, by small boat if necessary. The average age at which Algerians marry is now into the mid 30s - a vivid indicator of how unhappy the twenty-somethings are. Meanwhile, most world food price hikes are being passed to consumers, resulting in strikes by different labor groups almost weekly (see ref B for example. Notably, while you are here we expect school teachers nationwide to strike; on the positive side, school closures may ease traffic during your visit, inshallah.) Almost daily there are isolated demonstrations with the occasional government office in some distant town attacked. Meanwhile, voter turnout for the 2007 legislative and local elections was lower than ever before because Algeria's young people do not see the political system as having any relevance to addressing their problems. This is not the quaking state of the early 1990s. The government is firmly entrenched. However, much of political and social elite sense that Algeria is drifting (see also ref C).
    Pour lire toute la note, voici le lien:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-e...cuments/142554

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    • #3
      Western Sahara: This is the issue that the GoA cares the most about and you will likely receive an earful. The GoA still lingers over the hope that the Baker Plan will come back despite our telling them repeatedly that it is finished. The top Algerian leadership stress that they view a Saharan referendum on independence as a matter of national liberation as a matter of principle. They don't want to destabilize Morocco, and they doubt the Western Sahara is so important to the throne's hold on power. They do not want to start armed hostilities, although we are less sure they would - or could - stop every possible Polisario provocation. The Algerians likely will try to wait for the end of this American administration hoping that the next one will be less supportive of the Moroccan autonomy proposal. Explaining the exhaustion of broad American patience with the long-standing dispute will be the best way of shaking loose the Algerian fixation on Baker.
      En gros il dit que les americains doivent faire comprendre au algeriens deux choses:

      a) "exhaustion of broad American patience"
      le conflit a trop dure. et les americains en ont marre.
      le "INTOLERABLE" de Mr. Ross a Alger est dans ce sens la.
      b) "exhaustion of broad American patience"
      le support pour le maroc est bi-partisan. (Republicains et democrates)

      Je comprend le "dos au mur." Ross le chevronne et la dame Clinton vont faire de leur mieux de rendre raison au vieux. Mais a la douce. A l'aimiable. C'est ca ou oubliez des relations strategiques avec les USA.

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      • #4
        L'Algerie était pour l'autodétermination de East Timor dans les années 70s quand les USA étaient non seulement contre mais s'y opposaient violemment. Le temps est passé et de nos jours les USA sont le plus grands allié d'East Timor.
        Il y a rien à craindre dans la vie quand on a des principes et quand on est près à les défendre. L'Algérie ne renoncera jamais à son soutien au droit du peuple sahraoui à l'autodétermination.

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        • #5
          algerie peut attendre.
          maroc peut attendre.
          les dirigeants du poliz peuvent attendre.
          Et ces sahraouis qui grillent dans ces camps de misere.
          Comment peux on etre sur de ce qu'ils veulent?
          Ould salma vient de demontrer que ces gens ne sont pas libres de leur choix.
          Alors Mr. principe. Expliques nous tout ca.

          Pretend que tu parles au Conseil de securite et on te demande cette question.
          Aucune reponse. Je sais. Vois tu que votre situation est difficille a defendre.
          C'est ca votre point faible. Le manque de transparence a Tindouf et a Alger.
          Et vous ne pouvez rien pour y remedier.

          Apres 35 ans, le poliz n'a rien accompli pour sa population. rien. nada. nothing.
          les sahraouis ne sont pas dupes. les dirigeants ne griilent pas
          dans des tentes de fortune.

          Et vous ne pouvez rien pour y remedier. Mr. Principe.
          On peut attendre une trentaine d'annees. et tu n'aura pas de
          reponse a cette question. Au fait plus on attend plus ca devient ridicule.

          De meme comme on peut on rester president 35 ans sans rien accomplir?
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          Dernière modification par ouldabbas, 08 décembre 2010, 08h14.

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