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jawzia
19/08/2011, 03h29
L'Algérie insiste sur le transfert de technologies militaires russes
MOSCOU, 18 août - RIA Novosti

L'Algérie souhaite que ses importations d'équipements militaires russes soient accompagnées d'un transfert des technologies, a annoncé jeudi aux journalistes Viktor Komardine, vice-PDG de l'Agence russe d'exportation d'armements Rosoboronexport.

"La partie algérienne plaide pour le transfert de nos technologies militaires. Ils veulent produire des pièces de rechange pour les équipements déjà fournis", a fait savoir M.Komardine au cours du salon aérospatial MAKS-2011 qui se déroule à Joukovski, ville proche de Moscou.

Selon le responsable de Rosoboronexport, la Russie et l'Algérie ont créé un groupe de travail qui comprend, entre autres, des représentants de sociétés industrielles des deux pays, et a pour but de suivre la réalisation des contrats signés.

oukil salah
19/08/2011, 04h13
l'autre fois c'est moderniser son arsenal
aujourd'hui plaide pour le transfert de technologies militaires.

contre qui s'arme l'algerie ?

Zirds
19/08/2011, 13h09
contre qui s'arme l'algerie ?
contre personne :)
il y'a beaucoup de pays qui produisent des armes et des équipements militaires je ne voit pas pourquoi l’Algérie n'en ferai pas partie

maB2rOc
19/08/2011, 13h18
très bonne nouvelle pour Algérie si sa se concrétise
bonne continuation inchallah

BeeHive
19/08/2011, 13h34
"La partie algérienne plaide pour le transfert de nos technologies militaires. Ils veulent produire des pièces de rechange pour les équipements déjà fournis"

Chose qu'ils auraient faire depuis très longtemps, surtout après tant de milliards d’équipements achetés chez eux.

Nuit_Bleue
19/08/2011, 13h36
contre qui s'arme l'algerie ?

Pas besoin d un motif !!
Elle a droit comme tous les autres pays de s armer aussi !
Elle est a l abri de rien ...

Doctrinal
19/08/2011, 14h40
contre qui s'arme l'algerie ?

Contre la tunisie.

maB2rOc
19/08/2011, 17h26
elle s'arme contre la france :mrgreen::mrgreen:

hben
19/08/2011, 20h33
Déjà qu'ils ont voulu nous arnaquer avec les migs, tu parles qu'ils vont transférer leur "technologie"!!!

soussi82
19/08/2011, 20h56
On se réveille un demi siècle après!!

Comme si les grandes puissances vont s'amuser à transférer ce qu'ils ont cravacher dur à créer aux pauvres tiers mondistes...

Le club des grands sont unanimes sur cette chose ( comme sur le veto) pour éviter d'éventuels chantages..

Dr toutes les façons je vois mal la junte d'Alger tourner le dos à son protecteur de toujours...

Distro
19/08/2011, 22h36
transfert de technologie ne veut pas dire offrir le savoir sur un plateau, il y a toute l'expérience recherche et develloppement (le plus important) qu' on doit appliquer. Pour que cela inquiète il faudra faire comme les usa ont fait avec l'Allemagne, transferer les ingénieurs sans cela nous serons capable que de recréer les même pièces a l'infini.

Zirds
19/08/2011, 22h45
Comme si les grandes puissances vont s'amuser à transférer ce qu'ils ont cravacher dur à créer aux pauvres tiers mondistes...
ils l'ont bien fait pour le Pakistan, l'inde, l’Afrique du sud, la Turquie et même pour israel qui innove dans les armes après les aide et le transfert de technologie américaine
il n'est jamais trop tard mon lolo

soussi82
19/08/2011, 23h23
ils l'ont bien fait pour le Pakistan, l'inde, l’Afrique du sud, la Turquie et même pour israel
Zirds
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Ces pays ont préparé des ingénieurs pour recevoir un peu de cette technologie avant de la développer mon petit lolo !!!

oukil salah
20/08/2011, 02h10
L'Algérie insiste sur le transfert de technologies militaires russes

c'est juste pour devenir puissance regionale et continentale

Zirds
20/08/2011, 02h28
Ces pays ont préparé des ingénieurs pour recevoir un peu de cette technologie
arrête de dire n'importe quoi
le pakistan, l'inde et israel se sont fait offert la bombe atomique sur un plateau d'argent et tu me dit qu'ils ont reçu un peu :lol:

c'est juste pour devenir puissance regionale et continentale
c'est son droit

Adama
20/08/2011, 03h58
Zirds (http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/member.php?u=70794) à 02h28

… le pakistan, l'inde et israel se sont fait offert la bombe atomique sur un plateau d'argent et tu me dit qu'ils ont reçu un peu





Oh ! Non. Certainement pas.


Pakistan

http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3455248&postcount=64

http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166131

http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2693651&postcount=14

http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2693664&postcount=15



Inde

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_nucl%C3%A9aire_de_l%27Inde



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El-NiNo
20/08/2011, 04h00
Ces pays ont préparé des ingénieurs pour recevoir un peu de cette technologie avant de la développer mon petit lolo !!!

Et pourquoi, l'Algérie est un pays de paysants?

Adama
20/08/2011, 04h03
Israel


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The Israeli nuclear weapons program grew out of the conviction that the Holocaust justified any measures Israel took to ensure its survival. Consequently, Israel has been actively investigating the nuclear option from its earliest days. In 1949, HEMED GIMMEL a special unit of the IDF's Science Corps, began a two-year geological survey of the Negev desert with an eye toward the discovery of uranium reserves. Although no significant sources of uranium were found, recoverable amounts were located in phosphate deposits.

The program took another step forward with the creation of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC) in 1952. Its chairman, Ernst David Bergmann, had long advocated an Israeli bomb as the best way to ensure "that we shall never again be led as lambs to the slaughter." Bergmann was also head of the Ministry of Defense's Research and Infrastructure Division (known by its Hebrew acronym, EMET), which had taken over the HEMED research centers (HEMED GIMMEL among them, now renamed Machon 4) as part of a reorganization. Under Bergmann, the line between the IAEC and EMET blurred to the point that Machon 4 functioned essentially as the chief laboratory for the IAEC. By 1953, Machon 4 had not only perfected a process for extracting the uranium found in the Negev, but had also developed a new method of producing heavy water, providing Israel with an indigenous capability to produce some of the most important nuclear materials.

For reactor design and construction, Israel sought the assistance of France. Nuclear cooperation between the two nations dates back as far as early 1950's, when construction began on France's 40MWt heavy water reactor and a chemical reprocessing plant at Marcoule. France was a natural partner for Israel and both governments saw an independent nuclear option as a means by which they could maintain a degree of autonomy in the bipolar environment of the cold war.

In the fall of 1956, France agreed to provide Israel with an 18 MWt research reactor. However, the onset of the Suez Crisis a few weeks later changed the situation dramatically. Following Egypt's closure of the Suez Canal in July, France and Britain had agreed with Israel that the latter should provoke a war with Egypt to provide the European nations with the pretext to send in their troops as peacekeepers to occupy and reopen the canal zone. In the wake of the Suez Crisis, the Soviet Union made a thinly veiled threat against the three nations. This episode not only enhanced the Israeli view that an independent nuclear capability was needed to prevent reliance on potentially unreliable allies, but also led to a sense of debt among French leaders that they had failed to fulfill commitments made to a partner. French premier Guy Mollet is even quoted as saying privately that France "owed" the bomb to Israel.

On 3 October 1957, France and Israel signed a revised agreement calling for France to build a 24 MWt reactor (although the cooling systems and waste facilities were designed to handle three times that power) and, in protocols that were not committed to paper, a chemical reprocessing plant. This complex was constructed in secret, and outside the IAEA inspection regime, by French and Israeli technicians at Dimona, in the Negev desert under the leadership of Col. Manes Pratt of the IDF Ordinance Corps.

Both the scale of the project and the secrecy involved made the construction of Dimona a massive undertaking. A new intelligence agency, the Office of Science Liasons, (LEKEM) was created to provide security and intelligence for the project. At the height construction, some 1,500 Israelis some French workers were employed building Dimona. To maintain secrecy, French customs officials were told that the largest of the reactor components, such as the reactor tank, were part of a desalinization plant bound for Latin America. In addition, after buying heavy water from Norway on the condition that it not be transferred to a third country, the French Air Force secretly flew as much as four tons of the substance to Israel.

Trouble arose in May 1960, when France began to pressure Israel to make the project public and to submit to international inspections of the site, threatening to withhold the reactor fuel unless they did. President de Gaulle was concerned that the inevitable scandal following any revelations about French assistance with the project, especially the chemical reprocessing plant, would have negative repercussions for France's international position, already on shaky ground because of its war in Algeria.

At a subsequent meeting with Ben-Gurion, de Gaulle offered to sell Israel fighter aircraft in exchange for stopping work on the reprocessing plant, and came away from the meeting convinced that the matter was closed. It was not. Over the next few months, Israel worked out a compromise. France would supply the uranium and components already placed on order and would not insist on international inspections. In return, Israel would assure France that they had no intention of making atomic weapons, would not reprocess any plutonium, and would reveal the existence of the reactor, which would be completed without French assistance. In reality, not much changed - French contractors finished work on the reactor and reprocessing plant, uranium fuel was delivered and the reactor went critical in 1964.

In a report published on 4 August 2005, the BBC revealed evidence from the British National Archives that showed that the UK sold 20 tons of heavy water to Israel for £1.5 million in 1958. The heavy water, surplus from a shipment purchased by the UK from Norway in 1956, was for use in Israel's Dimona reactor. British officials involved in the deal made a conscious effort to keep the deal secret from both the United States and ministers of their own government. In 1961, Israel asked the UK for more heavy water, but due to the publicity that the Dimona project was receiving at the time, the British declined to sell any more to the Israelis.

The United States first became aware of Dimona's existence after U-2 overflights in 1958 captured the facility's construction, but it was not identified as a nuclear site until two years later. The complex was variously explained as a textile plant, an agricultural station, and a metallurgical research facility, until David Ben-Gurion stated in December 1960 that Dimona complex was a nuclear research center built for "peaceful purposes."

There followed two decades in which the United States, through a combination of benign neglect, erroneous analysis, and successful Israeli deception, failed to discern first the details of Israel's nuclear program. As early as 8 December 1960, the CIA issued a report outlining Dimona's implications for nuclear proliferation, and the CIA station in Tel Aviv had determined by the mid-1960s that the Israeli nuclear weapons program was an established and irreversible fact.

United States inspectors visited Dimona seven times during the 1960s, but they were unable to obtain an accurate picture of the activities carried out there, largely due to tight Israeli control over the timing and agenda of the visits. The Israelis went so far as to install false control room panels and to brick over elevators and hallways that accessed certain areas of the facility. The inspectors were able to report that there was no clear scientific research or civilian nuclear power program justifying such a large reactor - circumstantial evidence of the Israeli bomb program - but found no evidence of "weapons related activities" such as the existence of a plutonium reprocessing plant.

Although the United States government did not encourage or approve of the Israeli nuclear program, it also did nothing to stop it. Walworth Barbour, US ambassador to Israel from 1961-73, the bomb program's crucial years, primarily saw his job as being to insulate the President from facts which might compel him to act on the nuclear issue, alledgedly saying at one point that "The President did not send me there to give him problems. He does not want to be told any bad news." After the 1967 war, Barbour even put a stop to military attachés' intelligence collection efforts around Dimona. Even when Barbour did authorize forwarding information, as he did in 1966 when embassy staff learned that Israel was beginning to put nuclear warheads in missiles, the message seemed to disappear into the bureaucracy and was never acted upon.

In early 1968, the CIA issued a report concluding that Israel had successfully started production of nuclear weapons. This estimate, however, was based on an informal conversation between Carl Duckett, head of the CIA's Office of Science and Technology, and Edward Teller, father of the hydrogen bomb. Teller said that, based on conversations with friends in the Israeli scientific and defense establishment, he had concluded that Israel was capable of building the bomb, and that the CIA should not wait for an Israeli test to make a final assessment because that test would never be carried out.


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2 - http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3455253&postcount=66



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othmane26
20/08/2011, 04h16
en tt cas le pakistan ne l ont pas devellopper, c est un ingenieur pakistanais qui travaillait pour une compagnie anglaise qui a voler les plans. quelque chose comme ca

Zirds
20/08/2011, 04h36
en tt cas le pakistan ne l ont pas devellopper, c est un ingenieur pakistanais qui travaillait pour une compagnie anglaise qui a voler les plans. quelque chose comme ca
les pakistanais et les indiens se faisait la guerre pour le Cachemire, l'urss a décider de soutenir l'inde, les ricains ont soutenu le pakistan pour stopper le train soviétique, dés que les ricains ont entendu dire que les soviétiques aller offrir l'arme nucléaire aux indiens, ils ont offert a leur tour l'arme nucléaire aux Pakistan
d'ailleurs jusqu’à aujourd’hui l'arme nucléaire pakistanaise est sous contrôle américain

mehdi-amazigh
20/08/2011, 04h46
contre qui s'arme l'algerie ?

L'Algérie ne fait que moderniser son armée pour protéger son intégrité territoriale...et être capable de repousser une agression militaire, n'en déplaise aux voisins d'à côté!

Le transfert de technologie ne peut être que bénéfique à l'Algérie...

Adama
20/08/2011, 04h50
Zirds (http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/member.php?u=70794) à 04h36

les pakistanais et les indiens se faisait la guerre pour le Cachemire, l'urss a décider de soutenir l'inde, les ricains ont soutenu le pakistan pour stopper le train soviétique, dés que les ricains ont entendu dire que les soviétiques aller offrir l'arme nucléaire aux indiens, ils ont offert a leur tour l'arme nucléaire aux Pakistan
d'ailleurs jusqu’à aujourd’hui l'arme nucléaire pakistanaise est sous contrôle américain





Grand Dieu ! Quelle imagination fertile. Une véritable usine à confiseries distribuant en l’occurrence des bonbons à tous ceux qui le veulent.



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