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  • La syrie et israel auraient négocié un accord de paix

    Israéliens et syriens auraient négocie un accord de paix entre les deux pays au terme duquel,israel restituera le golan a la syrie qui continuerait a étre accessible aux israéliens,un parc naturel commun serait creé sur le lac Kinneret,israel continuerait a controler les ressources hydriques de la région et la syrie romprait avec l'iran.

    réalité ou intox,israéliens et syriens dementissent encore

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/813817.html
    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...459907,00.html

    n a series of secret meetings in Europe between September 2004 and July 2006, Syrians and Israelis formulated understandings for a peace agreement between Israel and Syria.

    The main points of the understandings are as follows:

    # An agreement of principles will be signed between the two countries, and following the fulfillment of all commitments, a peace agreement will be signed.

    # As part of the agreement on principles, Israel will withdraw from the Golan Heights to the lines of 4 June, 1967. The timetable for the withdrawal remained open: Syria demanded the pullout be carried out over a five-year period, while Israel asked for the withdrawal to be spread out over 15 years.

    # At the buffer zone, along Lake Kinneret, a park will be set up for joint use by Israelis and Syrians. The park will cover a significant portion of the Golan Heights. Israelis will be free to access the park and their presence will not be dependent on Syrian approval.

    # Israel will retain control over the use of the waters of the Jordan River and Lake Kinneret.

    # The border area will be demilitarized along a 1:4 ratio (in terms of territory) in Israel's favor.

    # According to the terms, Syria will also agree to end its support for Hezbollah and Hamas and will distance itself from Iran.

    The document is described as a "non-paper," a document of understandings that is not signed and lacks legal standing - its nature is political. It was prepared in August 2005 and has been updated during a number of meetings in Europe.

    The meetings were carried out with the knowledge of senior officials in the government of former prime minister Ariel Sharon. The last meeting took place during last summer's war in Lebanon.

    Government officials received updates on the meetings via the European mediator and also through Dr. Alon Liel, a former director general at the Foreign Ministry, who took part in all the meetings.

    The European mediator and the Syrian representative in the discussions held eight separate meetings with senior Syrian officials, including Vice President Farouk Shara, Foreign Minister Walid Muallem, and a Syrian intelligence officer with the rank of "general."

    The contacts ended after the Syrians demanded an end to meetings on an unofficial level and called for a secret meeting at the level of deputy minister, on the Syrian side, with an Israeli official at the rank of a ministry's director general, including the participation of a senior American official. Israel did not agree to this Syrian request.

    The Syrian representative in the talks, Ibrahim (Abe) Suleiman, an American citizen, had visited Jerusalem and delivered a message to senior officials at the Foreign Ministry regarding the Syrian wish for an agreement with Israel. The Syrians also asked for help in improving their relations with the United States, and particularly in lifting the American embargo on Syria.

    For his part, the European mediator stressed that the Syrian leadership is concerned that the loss of petroleum revenues will lead to an economic crash in the country and could consequently undermine the stability of the Assad regime.

    According to Geoffrey Aronson, an American from the Washington-based Foundation for Middle East Peace, who was involved in the talks, an agreement under American auspices would call for Syria to ensure that Hezbollah would limit itself to being solely a political party.

    He also told Haaretz that Khaled Meshal, Hamas' political bureau chief, based in Damascus, would have to leave the Syrian capital.

    Syria would also exercise its influence for a solution to the conflict in Iraq, through an agreement between Shi'a leader Muqtada Sadr and the Sunni leadership, and in addition, it would contribute to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including the refugee problem.

    Aronson said the idea of a park on the Golan Heights allows for the Syrian demand that Israel pull back to the June 4 border, on the one hand, while on the other hand, the park eliminates Israeli concerns that Syrians will have access to the water sources of Lake Kinneret.

    "This was a serious and honest effort to find creative solutions to practical problems that prevented an agreement from being reached during Barak's [tenure as prime minister] and to create an atmosphere of building confidence between the two sides," he said.

    It also emerged that one of the Syrian messages to Israel had to do with the ties between Damascus and Tehran. In the message, the Alawi regime - the Assad family being members of the Alawi minority - asserts that it considers itself to be an integral part of the Sunni world and that it objects to the Shi'a theocratic regime, and is particularly opposed to Iran's policy in Iraq. A senior Syrian official stressed that a peace agreement with Israel will enable Syria to distance itself from Iran.

    Liel refused to divulge details about the meetings but confirmed that they had taken place. He added that meetings on an unofficial level have been a fairly common phenomenon during the past decade.

    "We insisted on making the existence of meetings known to the relevant parties," Liel said. "Nonetheless, there was no official Israeli connection to the content of the talks and to the ideas that were raised during the meetings."

    Prior to these meetings, Liel was involved in an effort to further secret talks between Syria and Israel with the aid of Turkish mediation - following a request for assistance President Assad had made to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    That attempt failed following Israel's refusal to hold talks on an official level - and a Syrian refusal to restrict the talks to an "academic level," similar to the framework of the talks that had preceded the Oslo accords.

    There was no initial formal response from the Prime Minister's Office after the story broke early on Tuesday. But the Israel Radio quoted unnamed senior Israeli officials as stating that Israel is not holding contacts with Syria.
    Dernière modification par Ismail2005, 16 janvier 2007, 10h35.

  • #2
    Ca n'a rien d'étonnant, les Syriens ont compris que le bras de fer n'allait rien leur apporter.

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    • #3
      Bravo les Americains....

      Ils peuvent tout faire ... le but etait d'isoler l'IRAN et j'espere bien qu'ils metteront fin a leur programme nucleaire .... sinon l'IRAN sera comme l'Irak.

      Et Ahmadi Najad n'a pas bcp le choix .... il doit se taire un peu et respecter la legalité internationale.

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      • #4
        Ca n'a rien d'étonnant, les Syriens ont compris que le bras de fer n'allait rien leur apporter.

        D'après des analystes allemands,le débit du pétrole syrien commencerait a sérieusement diminuer comme celui de l'iranien,ce serait une raison de plus qui les pousserait a négocier.

        Si cela s'averrait juste,le région connaitrait sa première désescalade depuis l'accession de W au pouvoir,et celui ci ne serait pas mécontent d'enregistrer au moins un succès au proche orient avant de quitter la présidence.

        Mais on ne sait pas encore,c'est peut être un canular de Haaretz tout ca.
        Dernière modification par Ismail2005, 16 janvier 2007, 13h28.

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        • #5
          a mantoluik

          Bravo les Americains....

          Ils peuvent tout faire ... le but etait d'isoler l'IRAN et j'espere bien qu'ils metteront fin a leur programme nucleaire .... sinon l'IRAN sera comme l'Irak.

          Et Ahmadi Najad n'a pas bcp le choix .... il doit se taire un peu et respecter la legalité internationale
          par ce que les americains ils respectent la legalite internationale?
          Dernière modification par dahbia, 16 janvier 2007, 13h25.

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          • #6
            dahbia

            par ce que les americains ils respectent la legalite internationale?

            Avant je pensais comme toi, et j'avais bcp de sympathie pour les iraniens ...

            mais une ptite question : Avais tu une idée sur ses chiites ??? et leur plan ds la region ? et leurs principes ds la vie ?

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            • #7
              Avant je pensais comme toi, et j'avais bcp de sympathie pour les iraniens ...
              mais une ptite question : Avais tu une idée sur ses chiites ??? et leur plan ds la region ? et leurs principes ds la vie
              je ne pense pas que toi et moi pensons de la meme maniere. la raison, est que toi tu bases tes dires sur les prejuges et moi non.
              je ne suis sympatisante de personne j'essaye juste de comprendre.
              mais de la a dire que les americains respectent la legalite internationale, ca c'est un menssonge gros comme le monde meme les ricains ne le goberaient pas. Becaoup d'americains et meme europeens on conscience que les usa ne font pas dans la legalite quand il s'agit de la guerre d'Irak. mais pas que ca car la liste est longue.
              Quand a l'IAEA , c'est une oraganisation raciste et a la solde des americains comme l'ONU et tout le bataclan. point a la ligne.

              Tu n'aimes pas les iraniens et les shiites c'est ton probleme.

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              • #8
                je ne pense pas que toi et moi pensons de la meme maniere. la raison, est que toi tu bases tes dires sur les prejuges et moi non.

                Tu n'aimes pas les iraniens et les shiites c'est ton probleme.

                de meme je te reponderai : si tu n'aimes les Americains, c pas notre probleme du tout .

                moi je me base sur les préjugés et toi pas enchanté.

                Si tu veux des images videos du chef supreme des chiites tu vas bien comprendre .

                Les Americains defendent leurs interets.... et je compte sur eux pour defendre nos interets ( nous musilman sunnites ) si tu vois que cela est contre la legalité internationale eh ben , dsl j'y peux rien pour toi.

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                • #9
                  C'est une bonne chose, c'est courageux de faire un pas vers la paix avec Israel, a voir que les pays arabes sont contre la paix mais il sont pas les premiers a defondre le Liban et la Palestine.

                  Moi, je dis Bravo Assad, esseye juste de faire sortir ton peuple des problemes quotidien.

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                  • #10
                    Le dernier rapport de James Baker sur la situation en Irak avait conseillé à Bush de cesser le bras de fer avec la Syrie car de ce pays partez les armes,explosifs et bombes humaines vers l'irak et aussi pour le hizbollah au liban.
                    Ce rapprochement israelo-syrien en est peut etre la consequence .

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