Progarmme pour savoire l'ethnie=>surprise, juifs, kurdes, armeniens et turcs sont le meme peuple

[Sioux foughali]

humanbyrace

les juifs semites sont suffisament proches des arabes, jordaniens, yemenites etc ..non? c'est plus qu'evident au niveau des traits dans bien des cas


A moins que l'etude ait été faite sur des juifs d'Ukraine d'origine khazar......ça peut donner une proximité turciques et europeennes si les bonhommes analysés sont pas issus de famille trop endogamique

[absent]

Quand on voit Ehud Barak ou Itzhak Shamir nes en Europe de l'Est, on dirait vraiment des arabes. Par contre Rabbin ou Netnyahu ressemblent plus a des europeens.

[Sioux foughali]

Quand on voit Ehud Barak ou Itzhak Shamir nes en Europe de l'Est, on dirait vraiment des arabes. Par contre Rabbin ou Netnyahu ressemblent plus a des europeens.

ouais indeniable

et Rabin fait ( faisait) plus europeen , europeen que Nathanyaou.

je pense que tu sera d'accord car tu sais regarder j'ai l'impression

[absent]

et Rabin fait ( faisait) plus europeen , europeen que Nathanyaou.

Je suis d'accord oui. A propos de ca, une fois j'ai parle a un vieux qui pendant la guerre, s'etait evade d'un ghetto en Bielorussie, il m'a dit que le plus dur n'etait pas de quitter de le ghetto, mais de ne pas etre rattrappe dehors parce qu'avec les differences physiques et l'accent Yiddish, ils etaient reconnus, sa chance a lui, c'etait son "physique slave" et son russe sans accent.

[Distro]

il y a un livre "Comment le peuple juif fut inventé" que j'ai a peine commencé a lire, il a l'aire de parler de çà.

[humanbyrace]

humanbyrace

les juifs semites sont suffisament proches des arabes, jordaniens, yemenites etc ..non? c'est plus qu'evident au niveau des traits dans bien des cas


A moins que l'etude ait été faite sur des juifs d'Ukraine d'origine khazar......ça peut donner une proximité turciques et europeennes si les bonhommes analysés sont pas issus de famille trop endogamique
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il ya en fait plusieurs juifs
1/juifs convertis par exemple les falasha
2/juifs autochtones par exemple les samaritans
3/juifs autochtones avec admixture des populations hotes exemple les juifs du caucase ou les ashkenaz

voila les resultats pour les differents juifs dans la base de données
aussi sémitique c'est la langue et langue/type/ethnie sont distincts

1/juifs ashkenaz (d'allemagne et europe de l'est)
[1,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Ashkenazi_D" "2.1331"
[3,] "Morocco_Jews" "9.2892"
[4,] "Tuscan_X" "12.8109"
[5,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "12.9677"
[6,] "C_Italian_D" "13.259"
[7,] "Tuscan_H" "13.7273"
[8,] "O_Italian_D" "13.8636"
[9,] "TSI" "13.9528"
[10,] "Sicilian_D" "15.6067"
[11,] "Sephardic_Jews" "16.1186"
[12,] "Greek_D" "16.2157"
[13,] "S_Italian_D" "16.4918"
[14,] "Tuscan" "19.1267"
[15,] "Romanians_14" "22.5391"
[16,] "Turkish_D" "22.6338"
[17,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "22.9989"
[18,] "N_Italian_D" "23.2304"
[19,] "Cypriots" "24.3097"
[20,] "Palestinian" "24.3185"


2/juifs iranophones d'azerbaijan (tats)[une part d'eux sont musulmans*]
[1,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Iranian_Jews" "4.7529"
[3,] "Iraq_Jews" "5.7297"
[4,] "Georgia_Jews" "6.6053"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "7.0689"
[6,] "Druze" "7.623"
[7,] "Kurd" "8.6157"
[8,] "Assyrian_D" "8.9398"
[9,] "Kurd_D" "10.9257"
[10,] "Turkish_D" "11.6683"
[11,] "Turks" "12.3284"
[12,] "Armenian_D" "12.8207"
[13,] "Iranians" "13.8849"
[14,] "Samaritians" "14.2471"
[15,] "Lebanese" "14.3192"
[16,] "Syrians" "15.5657"
[17,] "Iranian_D" "15.699"
[18,] "Palestinian" "16.706"
[19,] "Armenians_16" "17.2522"
[20,] "Cypriots" "19.0463"


3/juifs bnei menache de l'inde
[1,] "Bnei_Menashe_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Sindhi" "12.345"
[3,] "Pakistani" "12.7028"
[4,] "Kashmiri_Pandit" "13.3443"
[5,] "Pathan" "13.5444"
[6,] "Cochin_Jews" "14.7543"
[7,] "Burusho" "15.5329"
[8,] "Balochi" "15.8745"
[9,] "Brahui" "17.0499"
[10,] "Makrani" "19.5028"
[11,] "Meghawal" "19.7917"
[12,] "Vaish" "20.7639"
[13,] "TN_Brahmin" "22.0583"
[14,] "AP_Brahmin" "23.3238"
[15,] "Srivastava" "24.1692"
[16,] "Nepalese" "24.9124"
[17,] "Velama" "25.6111"
[18,] "Indian_D" "26.175"
[19,] "Tharu" "27.1288"
[20,] "Kalash" "28.507"


4/juifs cochins du sud de l'inde
[1,] "Cochin_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Meghawal" "7.0328"
[3,] "TN_Brahmin" "8.1327"
[4,] "AP_Brahmin" "9.0813"
[5,] "Vaish" "9.6068"
[6,] "Srivastava" "10.6028"
[7,] "Sindhi" "12.3818"
[8,] "Indian_D" "12.5188"
[9,] "Velama" "12.5395"
[10,] "Pakistani" "12.773"
[11,] "Tharu" "13.0054"
[12,] "Bnei_Menashe_Jews" "14.7543"
[13,] "Kashmiri_Pandit" "14.7797"
[14,] "Lodi" "15.2007"
[15,] "INS" "15.3382"
[16,] "Burusho" "16.8973"
[17,] "Hallaki" "17.1953"
[18,] "Naidu" "17.2965"
[19,] "Pathan" "19.3696"
[20,] "GIH" "19.4517"


5/juifs iranophones de georgie (tats)
[1,] "Georgia_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Iranian_Jews" "4.5011"
[3,] "Iraq_Jews" "5.1147"
[4,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "6.6053"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "6.6423"
[6,] "Druze" "7.4726"
[7,] "Lebanese" "9.1897"
[8,] "Syrians" "9.7652"
[9,] "Samaritians" "10.0802"
[10,] "Kurd" "10.8784"
[11,] "Palestinian" "11.2071"
[12,] "Kurd_D" "12.9954"
[13,] "Assyrian_D" "13.0111"
[14,] "Jordanians_19" "13.6011"
[15,] "Turkish_D" "14.7282"
[16,] "Iranians" "15.6256"
[17,] "Turks" "16.5843"
[18,] "Armenian_D" "18.5688"
[19,] "Iranian_D" "19.2159"
[20,] "Cypriots" "19.3414"


6/juifs arabophones d'iraq
[1,] "Iraq_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Iranian_Jews" "2.735"
[3,] "Georgia_Jews" "5.1147"
[4,] "Druze" "5.6267"
[5,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "5.7297"
[6,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "9.4106"
[7,] "Samaritians" "9.6742"
[8,] "Assyrian_D" "10.2387"
[9,] "Lebanese" "10.5105"
[10,] "Syrians" "11.4717"
[11,] "Kurd" "12.2996"
[12,] "Palestinian" "13.2023"
[13,] "Kurd_D" "14.8027"
[14,] "Jordanians_19" "15.0522"
[15,] "Turkish_D" "15.8745"
[16,] "Armenian_D" "16.3352"
[17,] "Iranians" "16.6535"
[18,] "Turks" "17.0857"
[19,] "Cypriots" "17.8222"
[20,] "Iranian_D" "19.9341"


7/juifs iraniens
[1,] "Iranian_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Iraq_Jews" "2.735"
[3,] "Georgia_Jews" "4.5011"
[4,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "4.7529"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "7.0711"
[6,] "Druze" "7.126"
[7,] "Kurd" "9.8813"
[8,] "Lebanese" "10.8917"
[9,] "Assyrian_D" "11.0286"
[10,] "Samaritians" "11.2787"
[11,] "Syrians" "11.7132"
[12,] "Kurd_D" "12.4048"
[13,] "Palestinian" "13.3828"
[14,] "Turkish_D" "14.5945"
[15,] "Iranians" "14.6901"
[16,] "Jordanians_19" "15.5097"
[17,] "Turks" "15.7696"
[18,] "Armenian_D" "16.5336"
[19,] "Iranian_D" "18.0851"
[20,] "Cypriots" "18.6185"


8/juifs marocains
[1,] "Morocco_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Ashkenazi_D" "8.0175"
[3,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "9.2892"
[4,] "Sephardic_Jews" "10.5981"
[5,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "12.3325"
[6,] "Sicilian_D" "14.3059"
[7,] "S_Italian_D" "14.8003"
[8,] "C_Italian_D" "16.082"
[9,] "Greek_D" "18.5219"
[10,] "Palestinian" "18.6328"
[11,] "O_Italian_D" "18.8263"
[12,] "Lebanese" "19.2668"
[13,] "Cypriots" "19.6721"
[14,] "Tuscan_X" "19.9271"
[15,] "Samaritians" "20.2299"
[16,] "Tuscan_H" "20.5434"
[17,] "TSI" "20.901"
[18,] "Egypt" "20.9974"
[19,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "21.5356"
[20,] "Georgia_Jews" "21.5819"


9/juifs palestiniens (les samaritans qui devront etre les juifs les plus originels)
[1,] "Samaritians" "0"
[2,] "Lebanese" "6.1758"
[3,] "Palestinian" "8.2783"
[4,] "Druze" "8.312"
[5,] "Jordanians_19" "9.4552"
[6,] "Iraq_Jews" "9.6742"
[7,] "Georgia_Jews" "10.0802"
[8,] "Syrians" "10.1966"
[9,] "Iranian_Jews" "11.2787"
[10,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "14.2471"
[11,] "Cypriots" "15.2866"
[12,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "15.6144"
[13,] "Assyrian_D" "18.2055"
[14,] "Morocco_Jews" "20.2299"
[15,] "Kurd" "20.2364"
[16,] "Egypt" "20.927"
[17,] "Turkish_D" "20.9339"
[18,] "Sephardic_Jews" "21.4474"
[19,] "Kurd_D" "22.681"
[20,] "Armenian_D" "23.775"


10/juifs sefarades (originellement d'italie puis sont allés en espagne)
[1,] "Sephardic_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Sicilian_D" "8.1203"
[3,] "S_Italian_D" "8.3684"
[4,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "8.4493"
[5,] "Morocco_Jews" "10.5981"
[6,] "Cypriots" "14.3684"
[7,] "Ashkenazi_D" "14.5224"
[8,] "Greek_D" "14.7323"
[9,] "C_Italian_D" "14.7976"
[10,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "16.1186"
[11,] "O_Italian_D" "20.1913"
[12,] "Samaritians" "21.4474"
[13,] "Lebanese" "21.4614"
[14,] "Tuscan" "21.8179"
[15,] "Palestinian" "22.2333"
[16,] "Druze" "22.9504"
[17,] "Tuscan_X" "24.2246"
[18,] "Jordanians_19" "24.6554"
[19,] "Tuscan_H" "24.6704"
[20,] "Egypt" "24.9682"


11/juifs iranophones de bukhara
[1,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Kurd" "5.8241"
[3,] "Georgia_Jews" "6.6423"
[4,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "7.0689"
[5,] "Iranian_Jews" "7.0711"
[6,] "Kurd_D" "7.6642"
[7,] "Iraq_Jews" "9.4106"
[8,] "Druze" "11.7678"
[9,] "Turkish_D" "11.8962"
[10,] "Iranians" "12.569"
[11,] "Lebanese" "13.4726"
[12,] "Turks" "13.7463"
[13,] "Syrians" "14.0556"
[14,] "Palestinian" "15.2059"
[15,] "Assyrian_D" "15.3163"
[16,] "Iranian_D" "15.556"
[17,] "Samaritians" "15.6144"
[18,] "Jordanians_19" "17.9"
[19,] "Armenian_D" "18.8839"
[20,] "Cypriots" "21.1511"


12/juifs yemenites
[1,] "Yemen_Jews" "0"
[2,] "Saudis" "7.1211"
[3,] "Bedouin" "32.8589"
[4,] "Egyptans" "41.6645"
[5,] "Yemenese" "44.5311"
[6,] "Jordanians_19" "48.3408"
[7,] "Syrians" "49.6153"
[8,] "Egypt" "50.7765"
[9,] "Libya" "51.1096"
[10,] "Palestinian" "52.6215"
[11,] "Lebanese" "54.2731"
[12,] "Samaritians" "54.8017"
[13,] "Georgia_Jews" "58.4346"
[14,] "Iraq_Jews" "59.7734"
[15,] "Iranian_Jews" "60.4879"
[16,] "Druze" "61.9229"
[17,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "62.1564"
[18,] "Morocco_Jews" "63.2631"
[19,] "Algeria" "63.3145"
[20,] "Sahara_OCC" "63.8829"




*
http://www.prayway.com/unreached/peoplegroups3/80.html

The Mussulman Tat live in northwestern Iran, in the mountain valleys along the Azerbaijani border. They are part of three distinct religious communities that fall into a category known as "tats." The three groups include the Jewish Tat (known as "mountain Jews"), the Christian Tat, and the Muslim Tat. The Mussulman Tat are part of the Muslim Tat. The Turks originally coined the term "tats" to designate settled groups of non-Turkic origin. The term now applies to a Caucasian group that speaks a southern dialect of the Iranian language. Both the Muslim Tat and the Mussulman Tat speak a native language known as Tati.

[humanbyrace]

comme vous savez le DNA autosomal interfere avec le type et effectivement en googlimageant beni menache, falasha et cochin jews
on a
1/cochin jew


2/beni menash jew


3/falasha jew



cad ils sont des convertis comme on ne peut pas dire d'un malay musulman qu'il est arabe

[humanbyrace]

alors que en googleimageant
kurd, iranian, armenians, turk, ashkenaz, sefarad
voila les types qu'on trouve
1/kurd





2/persans




3/armenians





4/turcs





5/ashkenaz




6/sefarads

[humanbyrace]

ceci ne peut etre surprenant si on connait que tous les régions citées (nord levant-anatolie-iran) sont les régions natives de peuples indo-européens parlant des langues soeurs (en réalité le premier texte écrit en une langue indo-européene a été trouvé au nord de la syrie pres de la ville de hamah et date au 18 eme siecle BC et était écrit en luwian et ce bien avant les premiers texts écrits en grec mykanéen, lorsque j'ai visité halep j'ai pu voire des steles anciennes écrites en luwian)






ecriture et langue luwienne depuis le musée d'alep


l'écriture luwienne

[humanbyrace]

aussi qu'on réalise la fonctionnalitée individuelle pour les personnes turques incluses dans la base de donnée pres des deux tiers ont kurde ou iranien ou armenien ou ashkenaz comme le peuple dont ils sont le plus proche et ceux bien avant le turc

[MisterOver]

pas d'accord, le peuple Algérien a toujours existé et ce depuis la création du monde.
Quand je vois les fresques du Tassili, je sais que mes ancêtres ont laissé ces dessins et messages pour moi, ça me fait des frissons.
L'Algérie est un pays sacré et éternel.

Je croyais que les artistes du Tassili étaient plus sympathiques et intelligents que ça

Sinon, pour moi les humains se divisent autrement, qq comme Victor Hugo est beaucoup plus proche que qq comme Omar Khayam, Ibn Khaldoun, ... que de Dédé du bistrot du coin.