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  • wikileaks: quand mohammed 6 parle au sénateur lugar de bouteflika!

    Apres une visite a alger et une rencontre avec bouteflika en 2005, le sénateur americain lugar s'est rendus au maroc et a rencontré mohammed 6. M6 dit avec regret qu'il a tenté tout pour faire bouger les relations entre les deux pays mais le maroc n'a rien reçus de favorable ... M6 continue en disant au sénateur: " Je me suis senti comme un mendiant".

    Quand lugar a rapporté a M6 que bouteflika proposait au maroc un referendum généralisé ou les marocains habitants au sahara seront acceptés au vote, M6 a rétorqué ironiquement:" qu'il avait aussi une suggestion pour bouteflika, essayons un referendum test en kabylie et voyons comment cela va marcher ...".

    A propos des frontières mohammed 6 a dit au sénateur quand ce dernier a expliqué la version de bouteflika: " bouteflika a peur que si on ouvre les frontières, des millions d'algériens viendrons au maroc mais aucun marocain n'ira en Algérie, le roi conclut que le régime algerien n'est tout simplement pas prêt de faire progresser ses relations avec le maroc, mais le Maroc continuera d'essayer même s'il n'est pas optimiste".


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    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 RABAT 001767

    SIPDIS

    DEPT FOR NEA PDAS CHENEY, NEA/MAG

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/01/2009
    TAGS: ECON ETRD MO PBTS PGOV PHUM PREL MAS
    SUBJECT: SENATOR LUGAR'S MEETING WITH KING MOHAMMED


    Classified By: Ambassador Thomas T. Riley for Reasons 1.4. (b) and (d)

    1. (C) Summary: Senator Lugar met for 40 minutes with King
    Mohammed the afternoon of August 19 in Tetouan, northern
    Morocco. The King thanked Senator Lugar for US intervention
    in freeing the remaining POWs from Tindouf. Lugar encouraged
    the King to use the release as an opportunity to make
    progress on Moroccan-Algerian relations. He suggested in
    particular that the King make a gesture to Bouteflika, either
    in public remarks, privately, or by re-scheduling the visit
    to Morocco of the Algerian PM. The King promised to keep
    working on better relations with Algeria and suggested that
    reviving a quiet channel to the GOA through Algerian Chief of
    Staff Belkheir might be helpful, though he said he was not
    optimistic that Algeria was ready to engage seriously. Lugar
    encouraged the King to present a revised autonomy plan to new
    SRSG Van Walsum. The King praised the FTA and said the US
    should have no illusions about Morocco's Islamists; behind
    their benign facade, they were all anti-American. General
    Jones noted NATO efforts in the region and expressed hope to
    strengthen Med Dialogue. End Summary.

    2. (SBU) Participants


    US
    --

    Ambassador Riley
    Senator Lugar
    EUCOM Supreme Allied Commander General Jones

    GOM
    ---

    King Mohammed VI
    FM Benaissa
    Deputy FM Fassi Fihri

    3. (C) King Mohammed greeted Senator Lugar solo, as FM
    Benaissa, and Deputy FM Fassi Fihri entered the room
    separately. The King welcomed Lugar and thanked him and the
    US for their efforts in freeing the POWs. The King said that
    in spite of everything (likely referring to earlier GOM
    concerns about the timing and staging of the POW release as a
    "fait accompli"), he was pleased the prisoners were home.

    4. (C) Lugar handed the King the original copy of President
    Bush's August 15 letter to the King. The King said he was
    pleased to have Lugar in Morocco. He knew the US was
    disappointed that there had not been more progress over the
    last year or more in relations between Morocco and Algeria,
    or more positive steps between the two countries. The King
    wanted to reassure the US that Morocco had been doing

    everything it could to improve relations with Algeria. The
    King related that he had traveled to Algiers in April, had
    extended his stay, and done everything he could to move the
    relationship between the two countries forward. Morocco had
    received nothing in return. In English, the King said, "I
    felt like a beggar" returning from Algiers.

    5. (C) Lugar encouraged the King not to give up and wondered
    whether there was not some "small thing" Morocco could do to
    give the relationship a boost. Lugar said he knew at one
    point the GOM had invited the Algerian PM to Morocco; he
    didn't know the full background, but he encouraged the King
    to restart this initiative, or do something comparable such
    as exchange visits at the foreign minister level. Noting why
    he had refused in the end to attend the aborted Arab Maghreb
    Union summit in May, the King said he had to be attentive to
    the opinions and views of the Moroccan people. The Western
    Sahara means a lot to the Moroccan people, the King said, but
    it does not mean anything to the people of Algeria. The
    Algerian government can say whatever it wants about the
    issue, "but I have to be careful." The Algerian leadership
    had made very provocative comments before the AMU summit,
    leaving the King no choice but to decline to participate.
    Dernière modification par soufiane-oujda, 03 septembre 2011, 14h22.

  • #2
    6. (C) The King continued that he had taken a number of
    steps to work with the Algerians. We asked for a secret
    envoy, the King said -- perhaps Presidential COS Belkheir,
    who has served this role in the past -- but it was refused.
    I made the request again, the King said, and it was refused
    again. Nevertheless, we are willing to try a third time.
    Lugar told the King that in his meeting with President
    Bouteflika the previous day, the Algerian President had
    stressed that the Western Sahara was not a causus belli with
    Morocco, that he was willing to work toward a resolution to
    the dispute, and that he was open to a broad interpretation
    of "referendum," including incorporating many "Moroccans" who
    would be eligible to vote in a referendum, based on Wilsonian
    principles of self-determination. Testily, the King replied
    he had a suggestion for Bouteflika: Let's try a pilot
    referendum, he said, with the separatists in the Kabylie
    region in Algeria and see how that works.

    7. (C) In spite of these problems, the King said he was
    looking forward to receiving the new SRSG (turning to Fassi
    Fihri for Van Walsum's name). The King quipped that he
    better remember Van Walsum's name if they were going to meet
    in September. Lugar said the Moroccans could present Van
    Walsum with a new autonomy plan for the Western Sahara. The
    King said there had not been much success with this in the
    past, noting that he had met with UNSYG Annan, but he hoped a
    dialogue could start with the UN.

    8. (C) Sitting back, the King observed that the key to the
    Western Sahara conflict lies between Morocco and Algeria, and
    there must be efforts to improve dialogue between the two
    countries. Morocco expected a gesture from Algeria, after
    the many gestures Morocco had made with nothing in return.
    Nevertheless, Morocco would keep trying. Lugar thanked the
    King for being patient. The King reiterated that public
    opinion on the Western Sahara issue really does matter in
    Morocco, whereas it does not in Algeria. He could not carry
    through on the AMU summit given the negative atmosphere the
    Algerians created.

    9. (C) Not responding to the idea of getting an Algerian PM
    visit on track, the King reiterated that Belkheir could be a
    possible channel to the GOA (comment: the King made no
    reference to the fact that Belkheir is apparently in line to
    be Algeria's next ambassador to Morocco). He said he would
    call Bouteflika and make an effort to get things started
    again. Lugar appreciated the King's commitment and
    understood that tensions between the two countries sometimes
    crescendoed at awkward times. Lugar said he understood that
    USD 3 billion in revenue was lost every year because of
    illegal trade across the closed Morocco-Algeria border, and
    no one but a handful of illicit traders were being helped by
    that kind of commerce. The King said that Bouteflika's fear
    is that if we opened the border, millions of Algerians will
    come to Morocco, but no Moroccans will go to Algeria. The
    King concluded that the Algerians are just not ready to make
    serious progress in their relations with Morocco, but Morocco
    would keep trying, even though he was not optimistic. He
    appreciated US engagement in this area, hoping it would
    continue to be strong, and the mutual friendship between
    Morocco and the US.

    FTA and MCC

    10. (C) Lugar told the King he had met with PM Jettou that
    morning (septel) and learned more about Morocco's proposal to
    the Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC). While he had not
    yet seen the details of the proposal, Lugar said he followed
    the work of the MCC closely and understood Morocco had a good
    proposal. Lugar said going after poverty was very important.
    Lugar hoped the US-Morocco Free Trade Agreement would remain
    on track for January 1 implementation. The King said
    everyone in Morocco was in the end very impressed with the
    FTA and happy about it. Referring to a roundtable discussion
    earlier that day in Rabat (septel), Lugar said he had a very
    interesting, thoughtful, and energetic discussion with
    opinion leaders and influential Moroccans. "Some members of
    parliament" (referring to the PJD's Lahcen Daoudi), Lugar
    said, were very skeptical of the FTA. The King rolled his
    eyes at the mention of the Islamist PJD. He said I must tell
    you something important. When you are talking about
    Islamists, whether moderates or extremists, they are all
    anti-American. Don't be fooled, the King warned, just
    because they sound reasonable and seem very nice. They sound
    rational. The US should have no illusions about them,
    however; they are anti-American.

    11. (C) The King said Morocco was already seeing results
    from the FTA. Spain was already making investments. The
    French were not so happy about the FTA, the King
    acknowledged; they are not as entrepreneurial. The Spanish
    are interested in taking advantage of the FTA.

    Commentaire


    • #3
      Med Dialogue

      12. (C) Senator Lugar told the King he was pleased General
      Jones could join him on this important mission to Morocco and
      turned the floor over to the General. General Jones thanked
      the King for the meeting. He noted the importance of NATO
      activities in the region and welcomed the strong military
      cooperation between the US and Morocco. He hoped to see Med
      Dialogue strengthened in the future and encouraged Morocco's
      increased participation.

      13. (C) The King closed by saying he hoped he would see
      President Bush before long, as they had not seen each other
      since last summer. The 50th anniversary of Moroccan
      independence was coming up in 2006, and the country was
      already planning commemorative events. As a result, the King
      would probably not be able to see President Bush this year,
      but he hoped it would not be too long. Lugar thanked the
      King again for his hospitality and the many arrangements made
      to make his mission to Morocco a success.

      14. (C) Senator Lugar did not have a chance to clear this
      cable before departing post.

      RILEY

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      • #4
        Quand lugar a rapporté a M6 que bouteflika proposait au maroc un referendum généralisé ou les marocains habitants au sahara seront acceptés au vote, M6 a rétorqué ironiquement:" qu'il avait aussi une suggestion pour bouteflika, essayons un referendum test en kabylie et voyons comment cela va marcher ...".

        M6 est un grand malin......
        il ne parle pas trop, mais sait ce qu'il veut.

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        • #5
          aprés Lugan voici Lugar ..

          quand a elle l'algérie a Lugaz
          ارحم من في الارض يرحمك من في السماء
          On se fatigue de voir la bêtise triompher sans combat.(Albert Camus)

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          • #6
            Ça remonte à 6 ans..de l'eau a coulé sous les ponts depuis 2005.

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            • #7
              Ça remonte à 6 ans..de l'eau a coulé sous les ponts depuis 2005.
              et beaucoup de choses n'ont bougé d'un iota

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              • #8
                Je m'en souviens c'était lors du sommet arabe à Alger en 2004, les algérois se souviennent que les imbéciles avaient placé des fleurs partout et les ont retiré dès que le sommet était fini, attirant la colère des citoyens! Quand des dirigeants de la sorte gouvernent, quand ils ne sont pas capables de faire du bien à leur pays, comment voulez vous qu'ils parlent des autres?

                m6 a entièrement raison, ce qu'il a dit est vrai à 100% et vérifiable, et ça prouve ses intentions.

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                • #9
                  :" qu'il avait aussi une suggestion pour bouteflika, essayons un referendum test en kabylie et voyons comment cela va marcher ...".
                  " qu'il avait aussi une suggestion pour bouteflika, essayons un referendum test au RIF et voyons comment cela va marcher ...".

                  Il croit qu'il y avait un pays qui s'appelait la Kabyle et que le reste de l'Algérie l'a envahi , stupide qu'il est
                  Dernière modification par river, 04 septembre 2011, 05h20.

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                  • #10
                    Il croit que la kabylie est un pays
                    River
                    Pas du tout,il veut dire qu'on ne fait pas un référendum dans une région qui fait déja partie du pays à chaque fois qu'une partie de la population est frondeuse

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                    • #11
                      Il croit qu'il y avait un pays qui s'appelait la Kabyle et que le reste de l'Algérie l'a envahi , stupide qu'il est
                      Il croit qu'il y avait un pays qui s'appelait le Sahara Occidental et que le reste du Maroc l'a envahi , stupide qu'il est !

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                      • #12
                        en 63 ce sont les moudjahid kabyle du colonel si mohand ou elhadj qui sont partie se battre contre les marocains a tindouf
                        C'est pour ca qu'on a vaincu !

                        drole de separatiste quand meme, a quand une armé de liberation kabyle et un gouvernement en exil
                        Ta la mémoire courte ca existe depuis belle lurette

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wa6bZbGjJU

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                        • #13
                          un sahara qu il n a pas hesiter a partagé avec la mauritanie , drole de definition de la souveraineté peut etre a geometrie variable , c est un concept makhzenien
                          Tu es libre de partager ton territoire avec qui tu veux

                          Mauritanie et Maroc un seul et meme pays avant la colonisation si on a partagé avec eux isstahlou par contre vous vous avez rien recu

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                          • #14
                            oui ta raison qu elle drapeau flotte sur tindouf et bechar? aller repond mon petit, vous avez aussi vaincu a ceuta et lmellilla et j ai oublié vous avez repris l ilot du persil nahnah gimgembre quel courage
                            Tu devrai être reconnaissant qu'Hassan 2 ait eu pitié de vous, aprés la fuite de l'armée algerienne a Hassi Beida le desert était entiérement ouvert, Merkala prise c'était la porte ouverte jusqu'a l'Iguidi.

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                            • #15
                              Pas du tout,il veut dire qu'on ne fait pas un référendum dans une région qui fait déja partie du pays à chaque fois qu'une partie de la population est frondeuse
                              C'est quoi cette comparaison? l'Algérie n'a pas fait la marche verte pour occuper la Kabylie. Le Boss de la DRS est un kabyle. Le premier ministre et peut-être le prochain président est un Kabyle. Les Kabyles ont participé à la Libération de l'Algérie toute l'Algérie.

                              Parcontre c'est le Maroc qui a fait la marche verte pour coloniser la3youn et massacrer les pauvres Rqibat berbers du Sahat Occidental oups la mauritanie de l'ouest. Au Maroc on te donne l'argent si tu viens de casa pour avoir une colonie à La3youn. Il avait une immigration massive du ville de nord pour occuper des villes Sahrawis et malgrés cela vous craignez le référendum.
                              Dernière modification par absent, 04 septembre 2011, 07h55.

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